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Black Press Changes Method Of Commenting On Stories- Opinion250 Takes a Different Position

By Ben Meisner

Thursday, November 24, 2011 03:45 AM

Black Press, who operate amongst other news venues the Prince George Free Press, has announced that effective December 1st they no longer will allow comments on their site in the present configuration.
Black Press will move to a system where you register on Face Book and that then gives you the access to get to their site to post a comment.
Black Press argues that this will eliminate the problems of having posters, using the stories as a back drop for their own personal likes or dislikes, will give them (Black Press) a better idea of who is on their site and will eliminate people who use their site as a chat line, in which sometimes insults are hurled at one another.
We at Opinion250 have been at the game longer than Black Press. As a matter of fact there was a time when they came to us looking for ideas as to how to operate their proposed sites.
We also have agonized over some of the posters who take perhaps far more liberties than they should be allowed to take, take cheap shots at one another, and on the odd occasion cross the line of what we think is appropriate comment about an issue or person. We have tried to reach out to those people by sending e-mails to the address they have given to suggest some changes, in some cases, cleaning up their language, and also we have deleted down right offense material or even banned some users.
In the end, we have over 17,000 people who have registered to make comments on Opinion250 since its beginning. Just over fifty have been a problem and of that number we have had to cut privileges to them on more than one occasion, suggesting that they don’t learn easily.  Fifty out of 17,000 suggests to us that the people want to have the right to post while maintaining  their privacy. We insist that when we go the ballot box that we have the right to privacy and so it should lend that we also would want the same in our writing.
Trying to censure who writes what and when is a slippery slope. What you and I might deem as in poor taste may seem perfectly alright to someone else. What is an issue to someone may not necessarily be an issue to another poster. Everyone should have the right no matter what level of intelligence we think they possess to be able to have their thoughts known. We try as best to not interfere with that freedom of speech unless you have crossed the boundaries of the items I mentioned earlier.
Black Press will find that you can circumvent your real name and address if you try hard enough. We at Opinion250 are about to go to court to indentify a poster who we feel deliberately tried to destroy our business, that is crossing the line in most people’s minds.
We enjoy on our site, politicians, many who you know, business people and thousands of ordinary individuals who want their feelings heard.
We will continue to operate in that same manner, it is you that we owe our success to and it is you who we must in the end answer to. All we have asked in the past and in the future is that you consider what you are saying and does it cross the line? That really is the true test that we all must adhere to.
I’m Meisner and that’s one man’s Opinion.

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A tawdry paper draws a tawdry element and I think perhaps mostly what the Citizen objects to is the negative commentary about their commentary. Their comments section is rife with criticism about their reporting.

Never before have I been personally offended by what and how a newspaper, online or otherwise, reports information. With the Citizen however, it's happened several times over the past couple of years. In response I have stopped purchasing their paper and stopped patronizing their advertisers as well.
@Sine - You've got the wrong paper. Black Press runs the website of the now independent paper, The Prince George Free Press. Glacier Media owns the Prince George Free Press, and you are clearly not the only one who's stopped purchasing their paper.
Uhm.... bohemian..... Glacier does not own the PGFP, they own The Citizen.

This comment system change must be coming from problems at Black Press publications, because frankly, I've never seen a discussion problem at the PGFP site, who pay Black Press to use the system.
To be more specific, PGFP is owned by Prince George Publications Limited Partnership.
How can making one register via facebook make a difference? Not hard to make a facebook alias.

Good luck Ben in trying to bring that person to court. If there acts were intentionally malicous I'm sure they went through the trouble of using someone elses IP address to lauch their attack. But maybe you'll be lucky.
I have used O250 as my home page since about 2006. I love it, and although I don't comment often, I love to read the comments. I have always been very interested in peoples views of news, and this site gives me that. Thank you, Ben, for keeping this website just as it is. :)
Hahah - yes - Glacier owns the Citizen. Serves me right for commenting too early in the am.
When the citizen went the route of having to be registered at certain social sites in order to make a comment it destroyed thier comment section. Giving each poster the ability to censor another posters comments was just stupid. Consequently all you read is "this posters comment has been flagged for review". The same censoring will start to happen at the free press. Why have a comment section if your ears are too sensitive. Makes no sense to me.
Free Press as in free maybe but not free open comment unless one follows the papers philosophical bent.

I do not read the free press and long ago dropped the citizen.
I am an advocate for a dislike button, so we are the judge of what others are saying. If it is something illegal or libelous/slanderous then have it removed.
Well done Ben et al. Wonderful site you have here and thank you for giving us this opportunity to post our comments. You are running a valuable service to us all.
I agree Give more. This is a great place to read about local news and post comments. I think that because PG is a small town, it is too hard to post what you really think under your real name.

My partner and I own a business and I certainly wouldn't want to risk losing business due to someone reacting to the way I post. This is a wonderful way to say what you feel as it is very hard to do face-to-face or posting under your real name.

I am a big believer in getting out what you feel. I love listening to Ben in the mornings because he has the guts to say it how he feels it. Wish I could do that but it's just not in my personality.

All we need to remember is to keep it reasonably clean. I have posted only one thing I am not proud of (to do with our new mayor) but hey, at least I recognize that and will try harder in the future to do better :)
I'm thankful for the site and the ability to post comments anonymously. I wouldn't want someone threatening to burn my house down because they didn't like what I had to say.

If we had to use our real names, I don't think this site would be nearly as popular.
I can see this site becoming a whole lot more popluar.
I appreciate more and more that OP250 has kept this web site open to comments without the filtration system. I believe the culture of self policing strengthens the civic bond people have and raises the expected norm for what is acceptable public dialog. I think OP250 does a great job of keeping public dialog open.

Sites like the CBC however are hugely manipulated by their censors, which gives them a massive opportunity to influence the perception of public debate. If they don't like the comment they hold it back and then release it at the back end of a whole batch of comments hours later so its never read... or CBC outright deletes the comment completely if it is outside certain political ideology. Try talking about the apartheid in Israel and failure of the 'two state solution', or Palistinian rights, and the comments are always banned... as an glaring example that is not acceptable political discussion in their minds at CBC censorship board... even if it most closely resembles the reality of the day that has ramifications the world over.

Once you insert censors it is almost always because someone has an agenda they wish to censor, and not the feelings of posters they wish to protect. Its a way of leveraging the power of administration over the perception of how news is viewed. A look at the key players in the ownership group will usually give an indication of what the perception is they are trying to create with their media ownership powers.

I like OP250 because it reports the news and viewpoints of its authors and lets others make up their own minds as to what perceptions should be taken from it. That is how a free society is supposed to operate IMO. When people violate good faith dialogue, then appropriate action should be taken, but its a slippery slope....
Note to the Free Press - NO COMMENT!
The PG Citizen and the CBC are just a couple of censorship fests. They are a joke!
Uh, those sites (and this one) are more than entitled to edit the comments as they see fit. If you don't like being 'censored', start your own site.

The world is full of crackpots who write their own blogs.
Uh, this site is great. 250 is not even close to being a censorship fest like the other two. No one said they are not entitled to edit the comments as they see fit. The other sites however, take censorship way beyond the norm.

Take a pill!
One of the most enjoyable features of this site is the comments section of each story.
People can share their true opinions and not just the politically correct b.s. that a lot of us don't really agree with.

Please "keep it real"!
One of the most enjoyable features of this site is the comments section of each story.
People can share their true opinions and not just the politically correct b.s. that a lot of us don't really agree with.

Please "keep it real"!
OOPS! I just learned that if you hit reload in your browser, you will post the same thing multiple times.
Dragonmaster: "Uh, this site is great. 250 is not even close to being a censorship fest like the other two. No one said they are not entitled to edit the comments as they see fit. The other sites however, take censorship way beyond the norm. "

Ah, but when comments are removed (even on this site), quite often there's the old 'censorship' accusation. When you sign up for the site, you are agreeing to their rules.

"Take a pill". lol. I haven't heard that one in years. Thanks for that.